{"id":4210,"date":"2017-09-12T07:43:25","date_gmt":"2017-09-12T14:43:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/index.php\/blog\/archives\/"},"modified":"2018-09-18T13:40:26","modified_gmt":"2018-09-18T20:40:26","slug":"theo-logic-love-aquinas-anselm-wrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/index.php\/blog\/archives\/theo-logic-love-aquinas-anselm-wrong","title":{"rendered":"The Theo-Logic of Love (and why Aquinas and Anselm are wrong)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>God&#8217;s love involves both giving and receiving. That&#8217;s part of the theo-logic of love. But some great theologians erroneously thought God&#8217;s love only gives and never receives.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-4211 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Centered-Sunrise-240x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"240\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Centered-Sunrise-240x300.jpg 240w, https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Centered-Sunrise-768x959.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Centered-Sunrise-820x1024.jpg 820w, https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Centered-Sunrise.jpg 1091w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 240px) 100vw, 240px\" \/><\/p>\n<h3>The Theo-Logic of Love<\/h3>\n<p>In my previous blogs, I&#8217;ve argued that the Bible, Jesus, and our common experience tell us that God is relational\/passible. And God&#8217;s love involves giving to and receiving from others.<\/p>\n<p>We might call this overall argument \u201cthe theo-logic of love.\u201d The love described in Scripture, in Jesus, and in our own best experiences indicates that expressions of love are partly shaped by responses to others.<\/p>\n<p>An entirely unrelated, unresponsive, and isolated person \u2013 if such a being existed \u2013 could not love. Love requires relationships of giving-and-receiving influence.<\/p>\n<p>One of the biggest errors committed by Christian theologians of yesteryear was in thinking God\u2019s love involves only outgoing benevolence with no receptive relationality. In other words, they wrongly thought God\u2019s love only gives and never receives. Let me offer a few examples of this erroneous thinking.<\/p>\n<h3>The Error of Thomas Aquinas<\/h3>\n<p>Thomas Aquinas thought God acted benevolently toward creatures but was not affected by creaturely love. \u201cA relation of God to creatures is not a reality in God,\u201d he writes. God knows creatures as ideas without being causally affected by them.<a href=\"#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Influencing relations with creation \u201care not really in Him,\u201d Aquinas says, and \u201care ascribed to him only in our understanding.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn2\" name=\"_ftnref2\">[2]<\/a> In other words, we only <em>imagine <\/em>God gives and receives in loving relationship. But in reality, God does not.<\/p>\n<p>If Aquinas is right, biblical statements about God\u2019s compassion are fictional. Creatures cannot bless God. And God never responds to sin by offering forgiveness.<\/p>\n<h3>The Error of Anselm<\/h3>\n<p>Anselm made the same error. \u201cHow are you compassionate, and, at the same time, passionless?\u201d Anselm asks rhetorically of God. \u201cFor if you are passionless, you do not feel sympathy; and if you do not feel sympathy, your heart is not wretched from sympathy for the wretched; but this it is to be compassionate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In response to his own question, Anselm offers the same answer we saw in Aquinas: \u201cWhen you behold us in our wretchedness, we experience the effect of compassion, but you do not experience the feeling.\u00a0Therefore, you are both compassionate, because you do save the wretched, and spare those who sin against you; and not compassionate, because you are affected by no sympathy for wretchedness.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn3\" name=\"_ftnref3\">[3]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>In other words, according to Anselm we <em>think <\/em>God is compassionate when God is actually not.<\/p>\n<h3>God&#8217;s Giving-and-Receiving Love<\/h3>\n<p>In contrast to Aquinas and Anselm, I think God\u2019s love involves more than outgoing benevolence. God\u2019s love also involves incoming empathy, receiving, and sometimes suffering.<\/p>\n<p>I stand with many other theologians who affirm divine passibility. I list some in this footnote.<a href=\"#_ftn4\" name=\"_ftnref4\">[4]<\/a>\u00a0According to us, God\u2019s love requires both giving and receiving. And we think the Bible, the witness of Jesus, and commonsense stand with us on this issue. And they stand against Aquinas and Anselm.<\/p>\n<div class='tm-tweet-clear'><\/div>\n<div class='tm-click-to-tweet'>\n<div class='tm-ctt-text'><a href='https:\/\/twitter.com\/share?text=Leading+theologians+erroneously+thought+God%E2%80%99s+love+only+gives+and+never+receives.&#038;url=https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/index.php\/blog\/archives\/theo-logic-love-aquinas-anselm-wrong' target='_blank'>Leading theologians erroneously thought God\u2019s love only gives and never receives.<\/a><\/div>\n<p><a href='https:\/\/twitter.com\/share?text=Leading+theologians+erroneously+thought+God%E2%80%99s+love+only+gives+and+never+receives.&#038;url=https:\/\/thomasjayoord.com\/index.php\/blog\/archives\/theo-logic-love-aquinas-anselm-wrong' target='_blank' class='tm-ctt-btn'>Click To Tweet<\/a><\/p>\n<div class='tm-ctt-tip'><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Notes<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> Thomas Aquinas, <em>Summa Theologica, <\/em>I (Wesminster, Md: Christian Classics, 1981), q. 6, a.2, ad 1.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref2\" name=\"_ftn2\">[2]<\/a> Thomas Aquinas, <em>Summa Contra Gentiles <\/em>II (Notre Dame, Ind.: University of Notre Dame Press, 1981), 13-14.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref3\" name=\"_ftn3\">[3]<\/a> St. Anselm,\u00a0<em>Proslogium<\/em>, tr. Sidney Norton Deane (La Salle, IL, 1951), pp. 13-14.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref4\" name=\"_ftn4\">[4]<\/a> Among the many theologians who argue that God is passible, see especially Dietrich Bonhoeffer, <em>The Cost of Discipleship <\/em>(New York: Macmillan, 1949), Gregory A. Boyd, <em>Is God to Blame? Beyond Pat Answers to the Problem of Suffering <\/em>(Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 2003), John B. Cobb, Jr., <em>God and the World <\/em>(Philadelphia: Westminster, 1969), Isaak August Dorner, \u201cThe History of the Doctrine of the Immutability of God,\u201d in <em>Divine Immutability<\/em>, trans. Robert R. Williams and Claude Welch (Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1994), 82\u2013130. Paul Fiddes, <em>The Creative Suffering of God<\/em> (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988), Paul L. Gavrilyuk, <em>The Suffering of the Impassible God: The Dialectics of Patristic Thought<\/em> (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004), Catherine Keller, <em>From a Broken Web: Separation, Sexism and Self<\/em> (Boston: Beacon Press, 1986), Kazoh Kitamori, <em>Theology of the Pain of God<\/em>, 5<sup>th<\/sup> ed. (Richmond: John Knox Press, 1965), Jung Young Lee, <em>God Suffers for Us<\/em> (Netherlands: Martinus Nijhoff, The Hague, 1974), Bruce McCormack, \u201cDivine Impassibility or Simply Divine Constancy: Implications for Karl Barth\u2019s Later Christology for Debates over Impassibility,\u201d <em>Divine Impassibility and the Mystery of Human Suffering<\/em>, James F. Keating and Thomas Joseph White, eds. (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 2009); J\u00fcrgen Moltmann, <em>The Crucified God <\/em>(1974, 2001), Thomas Jay Oord, <em>The Nature of Love: A Theology<\/em> (St. Louis: Chalice Press, 2010), Clark Pinnock, <em>Most Moved Mover: A Theology of God\u2019s Openness <\/em>(Grand Rapids: Baker Academic, 2001), Pinnock, et. al., <em>The Openness of God: A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional Understand of God <\/em>(Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity, 1994), Jeff Pool, <em>God\u2019s Wounds: Hermeneutic of the Christian Symbol of Divine Suffering. Vol I Divine Vulnerability and Creation<\/em> (Cambridge, UK: James Clarke and Co., 2009), John Sanders, <em>The God Who Risks: A Theology of Divine Providence <\/em>(Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Academic, 2007); T.F. Torrance, <em>The Christian Doctrine of God<\/em> (New York: Continuum, 1996), Daniel Day Williams, \u201cSuffering and Being in Empirical Theology,\u201d in B. L. Meland ed.,\u00a0<em>The Future of Empirical Theology<\/em>\u00a0(Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1969), 175-94, Nicholas Wolterstorff, \u201cSuffering Love,\u201d in <em>Philosophy and the Christian Faith<\/em>, Thomas V. Morris, ed. (Notre Dame: University of Notre Dame Press, 1990).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In contrast to Aquinas and Anselm, I think God\u2019s love involves more than outgoing benevolence. 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